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you can ring my bell, ring my bell. ([personal profile] dominance) wrote2015-07-12 09:08 pm
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[personal profile] transformative 2015-10-04 09:08 pm (UTC)(link)
[Agitation hits Lincoln's shoulders immediately, and he feels that not only has Lexa betrayed the Sky People, she's betrayed him in a way. The idea of leaving the Sky People in there infuriates him, and he doesn't accept it. But there is no Lexa to take this out on, and he remains silent while he processes his anger. Some part of him feels hypocritical, but there is a strong part of him that rejects the Commander's choices.

He wonders where he had been in all of that. But he knows they would never take his word. To them, he is more Skaikru than Trikru, separated from the people he had been born with because of his rejection of their ideals and behaviors. He knows that their life is difficult, but he refuses to believe that that was the only way. He knows, clearly, that the Mountain Men got more out of that deal than his people.]


The Commander should have never done that. She should have never abandoned the alliance. It would only be a matter of time before the Mountain Men turned the tables on us again. [That's the rational answer, but he barely veils the irritation in his voice.] I would have never let them do that if I knew. [But they both know that Lincoln wouldn't have had much of a say. He is a traitor to someone, but only because of his beliefs.]

I want to say you're wrong about Anya, but that is what our people know. If she learns of the Commander's betrayal, she will trust in her choices. It would be ... best to keep that from her for now. [Survival is survival, even in a world like this. They have no choice but to keep it a secret, and try their best to foster good will with Anya in the meantime.

Which honestly seems impossible.]
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[personal profile] transformative 2015-10-04 11:36 pm (UTC)(link)
We have a chance to live a life without fear. Anya has never known that life, the same as the rest of us. [Lincoln includes the Sky People in that because he has heard of Octavia's experiences. That she manages to hold it together in spite of that shows her true power. She's even able to joke about it. He admires that strength in her above all else, that she's managed to hold on to it and keep it close even when her world and her people have tried to repeatedly rip it away. She lost her mother, she had been hidden from everyone, and somehow she manages to keep a level head.

But Lincoln can see the coldness and callousness among the Sky People, and he knows that it's born of a desire to survive, the same way it is among his people. The fact that there's a similarity for him is what makes him try to see things evenly, and he'll continue to stand by them, even when his people continue to be ruthless toward them. Even if they have some of the same makeup, they are also different, and they landed on earth without the expectation that they might have to go to war constantly.

(It's this last part that is a sticking point, as he'll make clear—)]


There is no violence in this world. There are no alliances. [Even if the burden of these things remain.]

And most importantly, there is no war. From what I've come to understand, anyone who chooses to change that will not get what they've come for. [He frowns in consideration, because it's possible that Bellamy knows differently. Lincoln's understanding of things is fresh and new. He adds, then:] Unless you know differently.
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[personal profile] transformative 2015-10-05 06:39 pm (UTC)(link)
[Lincoln understands fear all too well. Fear is an aspect of survival. Fear has been instilled in him since he was a boy. And fear can make people do monstrous things. His people do a great deal of things out of fear, because they want to control their society and ensure their continued survival. Often, many of their choices are wrong and unfair, as they outcast people who are different because they don't want to have them muddle the bloodlines in their village. It's a harsh reality that often has little justification.

But he thinks that they won't benefit from fear here, even if he understands where Bellamy is coming from. The confirmation of circumstances seems right, but there is a good chance that the officials might ask for someone else to come. What would happen to the Mountain Men if they were given the ability to come outside? How long would it take for them to justify killing off his people (both sets of them) out of some need to protect themselves? Would the officials here see that ripple effect, and would they stop it?

He doesn't know. A few short days isn't enough to answer that question.]


Can we advise them against certain people? If we're here and contributing for a longer period of time, will we have that opportunity? [Lincoln is used to a world where people do things in opportunistic ways. He's asking because he's curious, but because of the world he's from, he assumes that the people running this city, even with their set rules and their ideals, will be just as opportunistic. They stop war because it benefits them. They make choice a thing because it benefits them. But it benefits everyone else, creating a reality that they can't ignore.]
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[personal profile] transformative 2015-10-21 08:25 pm (UTC)(link)
So you believe them to be the types to only look our for their people in the end. Even if we have struck agreements with them. I'll keep that in mind. [Lincoln is used to that style of thinking. It's how the grounders live and thrive, and it's a system of ideals that he doesn't necessarily agree to. But he understands that this city does need their help, and he understands that what they're giving in return is worthwhile.]

I don't believe it would benefit them to bring someone in who could corrupt their system, but I can see where they may have no choice. In time, we might all have our incentives, and they'll need to look outside the more ... pliable individuals. [It's a type of mercenary thinking, but if their city needs it, they may have no choice.

Lincoln just hopes that it never comes to that, both for what they want out of this city, and what he wants, as well. He can see how easy it would be to idealize this place, and he'd prefer to keep it that way.]
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[personal profile] transformative 2015-10-26 08:28 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't expect anything else. But expecting one thing and acting on it are two different things. There was a time when "my people" was more rigidly defined than it is now, and I made the choices necessary to change that. What they've told me, and how they've already helped me, has made it clear that they are at least willing to say the right things. Whether they act on it is another matter altogether.

[That's why he said that he would keep Bellamy's perspective in mind, but Lincoln ultimately always decides for himself. He does believe Bellamy's experience is greater than his own. He has reason to believe that the administrators here could be no better than the false promises handed out to the individuals inside of Mount Weather.]

You are right, though. We have each other. [And Lincoln intends to secure that standing as much as he can.]
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[personal profile] transformative 2015-11-01 11:01 pm (UTC)(link)
Power is power. Any challenge to that power can be seen as something that needs to be punished. [Though Bellamy had only truly seen this when Raven had been framed for attempting to poison the Commander, Lincoln had not been surprised by the treatment there. That had been a different situation altogether, where it was a shaky alliance that could easily be broken, but Gustus' actions there were born from a society that couldn't risk weakness.

Being challenged made someone weak.

Of course, this is just one of many things about the society he's from that he doesn't agree with. An outsider doesn't necessarily make them into an enemy, and people can and should risk trusting others, and doing right by them. It makes them better people, rather than giving in to their monstrous natures. (Because all can be monsters, even these administrators. With the power vested to them, they definitely can.)]


If they didn't mind the challenge you posed, it's promising. [He considers his previous thoughts, and after a moment, decides to share them.] For what they offer us, and what they're capable of, we know that they could be doing far worse here. Their city needs our help, but they aren't faced by the same limitations as Mount Weather.

[And they can simply have someone go home who doesn't comply, or doesn't want to be there. Like Octavia did.]
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[personal profile] transformative 2015-11-03 08:47 pm (UTC)(link)
I've made them look weaker. I should be dead. [It's a simple matter of fact. The only reason he lives is because of Clarke and her mother. To kill him after his return from being a reaper would be ill-advised, given what he stands for. The Sky People had protected him and given him shelter in the wake of everything, and he knows that he could just as easily still be killed for his numerous betrayals.

It is almost pure luck that he isn't dead now. And it's luck that keeps Bellamy from killing him for his different betrayal, though Lincoln still thinks he would be within his rights to do so. Time has passed for Bellamy, though, if this conversation tells him anything.]


If they did have a lair like that, it would only be out of desperation. But then again, perhaps there would still be willing participants, all hoping to help. [Which isn't to say he deems that a good thing. Cynicism is clear in his tone, as he knows that desperate measures means that what help is offered is still somewhat forced out of the person in question.]